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pjbball04 · Apr 26, 2009, 11:24 PM // 23:24

what is the best self heal skill for a WA/MO in prophecies?

Breakfast Mc Rit · Apr 26, 2009, 11:46 PM // 23:46

Lion's Comfort. Speccing into monk attributes is not for a warrior. Let the monk handle the spells.

sph0nz · Apr 26, 2009, 11:48 PM // 23:48

The only self heal I'd ever consider is [Lion's Comfort], however that isn't a prophecies skill. I wouldn't even bother taking a self heal; it can easily be left up to the monk henchmen.

Skyy High · Apr 26, 2009, 11:54 PM // 23:54

Low level prophecies -> heal sig.
Once you can safely rely on your monks to do their job, though, you should just ditch the self heal.

ajc2123 · Apr 27, 2009, 02:13 AM // 02:13

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Low level prophecies -> heal sig.
Once you can safely rely on your monks to do their job, though, you should just ditch the self heal.

^this

In the beginning Alesia will be wasting her energy on healing breeze and getting into melee range with healing touch. HIGHLY recommend [Healing Signet] (with perhaps [Watch Yourself!] for a party buff and to remove some of the -armor healing signet gives)

Around the desert when you can get lisa too, thats when its much safer to drop any self healing, put points into to Str and go pure damage

*edit*
The PvE version of watch yourself is much better.

Paul Dawg · Apr 27, 2009, 03:51 AM // 03:51

Yeah, if there's a PvP version of a certain skill, then that will be the default if you just type in the name of the skill. If you want to indicate the PvE version, you have to type "(pve)" at the end of the name of the skill (like this: ["watch yourself!" (pve)]).

Celeborn10 · Apr 27, 2009, 04:09 AM // 04:09

And once you do reach the desert switch to W/Ele. [Grasping Earth] or [Shock] make life more interesting. And you don't need to sink more than 2-3 points into them meaning you can still fulfill your job and make dead bodies.

Axel Zinfandel · Apr 27, 2009, 04:15 AM // 04:15

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Originally Posted by Paul Dawg

Yeah, if there's a PvP version of a certain skill, then that will be the default if you just type in the name of the skill. If you want to indicate the PvE version, you have to type "(pve)" at the end of the name of the skill (like this: ["watch yourself!" (pve)]).

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I don't want to memorize what skills have PvE versions

Winterclaw · Apr 27, 2009, 05:22 AM // 05:22

It terms of healing power, [word of [email protected]]. Now you'd have to give up your elite and you have to take interrupts into consideration, but it's still better than going into tactics.

Now I wouldn't use it myself unless I'm wasting time and never in PvP, but it does heal you more when you need it.

That said, trying to self heal as a warrior is often considered a bad thing. Bringing WoH will get you called a wammo if anyone sees you use it and you'll be laughed at for it. It goes against what its about to be a warrior and honestly monk skills don't work all that well on a warrior's bar.

**Marty Silverblade** · Apr 27, 2009, 06:44 AM // 06:44

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Now you'd have to give up your elite and you have to take interrupts into consideration, but it's still better than going into tactics.

I disagree.

1) It's elite. You think it's worth it (don't know why), but there are some awesome elites you'd be missing out on -> [[Hundred Blades], [[Cleave] + [[Eviscerate], [[Earth Shaker].
2) I don't see why you would think Healing Prayers is better than Tactics. Unless you're running a bar thats really full of fail, you're not going to have anything more than your suggested WoH, whereas Tactics has stuff like WY (remember Proph only) which is useful.
3) Tactics is more convenient for new players because in the case that they find/buy/are given a good shield with a Tactics req.
4) Encouraging W/Mo Paladin stereotypes is a really bad thing to do. Imo, its much much better to encourage the use of something that will be sub par in order for the new player to understand how to play. For example, regen is strong early on (Mending, Healing Breeze), but as you go on they suck (as opposed to recommending Healing Signet or something else).

EDIT: Also note the recent buffs to HS. It heals for quite a lot now. [[Healing [email protected]]

Winterclaw · Apr 27, 2009, 09:23 PM // 21:23

The rest of my post:

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

That said, trying to self heal as a warrior is often considered a bad thing. Bringing WoH will get you called a wammo if anyone sees you use it and you'll be laughed at for it. It goes against what its about to be a warrior and honestly monk skills don't work all that well on a warrior's bar.

So let's be clear I did say don't go wammo... if someone asks for help but can't be bothered to read a full post, then it doesn't really matter what we write.

At this point I'd rather tell people to avoid tactics for most of PvE when it comes to warriors. Like you said, it's sub par and while it won't be as bad as a WoH warrior, it isn't great either... it's been over nerfed because of monks, sassis, and paragons and didn't receive any buffs to compensate. Tactics shields are a little easier to get, but it isn't impossible to get a str shield. Just pay 6k (5k plus mats) and you can at least get a basic crafter one.

So, in summation:
1. Agreed.
2. I don't think warriors should go into either until they are ready to start farming.
3. Just because it is convenient doesn't mean you should go that route.
4. Agreed.

Rhamia Darigaz · Apr 27, 2009, 10:46 PM // 22:46

the best self heal for a pve warrior is [[earth shaker]

Winterclaw · Apr 27, 2009, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Earth Shaker isn't a self heal... it's AoE KD. Now in some circumstances it'll be better than a self heal, but it isn't a self heal and shouldn't be represented as such.

Paul Dawg · Apr 28, 2009, 12:54 AM // 00:54

It's not my site and it's not my programming.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I don't want to memorize what skills have PvE versions

_Nihilist_ · Apr 28, 2009, 07:42 AM // 07:42

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Low level prophecies -> heal sig.
Once you can safely rely on your monks to do their job, though, you should just ditch the self heal.

^
This is correct.

Lux Aeterna · Apr 28, 2009, 11:36 AM // 11:36

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

the best self heal for a pve warrior is [[earth shaker]

This and this and this.

Bring [watch yourself (pve)], it'll save your party.

qvtkc · Apr 28, 2009, 01:39 PM // 13:39

[healing hands] ; Healing Hands is the best self heal skill. Not that I'd use it, I prefer to let monks heal me, but if I had to, that's the one I would use.

wilebill · Apr 28, 2009, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Keeping in mind that it's been nearly four years since I brought my warrior through Prophecies ... Healing Breeze should be enough.

No, don't use Healing Breeze on yourself, use it on Alesia! If Alesia does not have to spend all her mana keeping herself alive, she can heal the henchies and perhaps even you! But to be sure and further take the load off Alesia (and Mhenlo to a lesser extent), carry along Watch Yourself and Healing Signet. That's three of your slots, but three slots well spent.

Healing Signet is an excellent self heal, Devona uses it and Devona stays alive with it very well, often the last one standing in a party wipe. And Devona is a hammer warrior for goodness sake! Look Ma, no shield!

The other big tip when out with the henchies is carry a longbow and start combat with it when it is likely you will take heavy damage by charging right into the battle. One of the little longbows that have no attribute requirement is fine.

You do not always need to start combat with the longbow, only when it looks like you are going to instantly become a huge mana sink for the healing monk. In those situations, hang back and plink with the longbow while the hench warrior takes the aggro and the damage.

The henchies are an integrated system and the healing monk can keep the hench party alive and well if you are not in there soaking up healing mana like a sponge. Once the hench warrior takes the aggro, switch to melee and go in; or defend Alesia more likely since they always come right after her!

When in combat, keep an eye on the monk's health. If it starts going down, double click on the monk's name in the party window and your warrior will run over there so you can take care of the problem. Cast some healing on the monk and attack the attackers so the monk can get some breathing room.

Yichi · Apr 30, 2009, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by pjbball04

what is the best self heal skill for a WA/MO in prophecies?

A monk. Lose the self heals.

Lux Aeterna · May 06, 2009, 05:17 AM // 05:17

Did people really suggest [word of healing] and [healing hands] in this thread